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Garry "Dr" Watson - 10:07pm Jun 30, 2001 PST(#234 of 1770)
them's the breaks breaks breaks

actually Dave I don't see a real problem..

sure there are groups who interract more with each other but I have never seen them exclude anyone else from joining in. Obviously until you know someone better you are (or should be) more careful with what you say which could look a little standoffish to an outsider..

and Mimi I actually disagree with this "I think another problem is when people use the common chat folders just to talk about planning the next gathering, or talking about the last one, it kind of excludes all the other people who weren't there."..I think the fact that it is all out in the open INCLUDES everyone else in the topic which is a really friendly way to go. Would you prefer they made comments to each other as hints thereby excluding everyone else. Don't you find it annoying when people refer to something you know nothing about ? (I do it occasionally, I understand it BUT it still makes me feel left out ..but then sometimes I'm over sensitive I guess)

Aggie - 10:35pm Jun 30, 2001 PST(#235 of 1770)
The most wasted of all days is one without laughter. ee cummings

(((((Dave)))))) Never give in. ;)

Garry, I disagree somewhat with your last post. I think many comments are made between people that exclude others that are not "in the know." It crosses my mind on occassion why this is so when many of these same people are ym-ing or what have you. Some exclusive comments I would consider natural and normal but I can see where a frequent number would leave others feeling left out.

Oren Bern - 02:13am Jul 1, 2001 PST(#236 of 1770)
Quantum physicists, who examine the Universe at a subatomic level, have concluded that SOMETHING FISHY IS GOING ON HERE !!

...Frankly, I don't see any cliques on MN. Any time I try to join any type of conversation (Other than the Adults folder of course) I'm welcomed and included. If it seems certain people are always talking to each other it's probably just time zones etc.

daffodil - 03:33am Jul 1, 2001 PST(#237 of 1770)

Dave; I think I understand what you mean.

What Oren said is perfectly true; You're always welcomed in a new conversation by some friendly souls[s].

Still, there's always the feeling of invisability in some folders.

Don't let it depress you. Don't even THINK about not coming here again!

I'm serious! I'll come and drag you back, you hear!

We can't do without you (((((((Dave))))))))

Spirit - 07:11am Jul 1, 2001 PST(#238 of 1770)
"I can't do it all on my own, I'm no Superman" - Scrubs Theme

I finally get it! (I think)

And I see what you mean Dave. Because of all of the special divisions at MN, there are those that only post or sub to certain places pertaining to them, otherwise they would be pulled too many places. And, because of this, we sometimes don't see those people around alot.

Still, there are ways around it, as complex as they may be, and I think that trying to change the way MN is put together might actually be more complex than the complexities of going around the problem.

But, that's just what I think...

And don't you ever feel left out Dave! If you do, I'll hunt you down and hug you to death! ;)


PookyDragon - 01:44pm Jul 1, 2001 PST(#239 of 1770)
Thwart. Thwart thwart thwart thwart thwart. Wow, say a word enough times and it really sounds silly.

Dave, I tend to agree. MN has its cliques, but not to exclude anyone. I think it has more to do with people's personality types. I for one am very family oriented, introvert, and love talking to young people. I do not like to drink, party, dance, go to sports events, etc, and I do not have a career job, so there are a few people I have nothing really to talk about with. When those people and I do chat, it is in a folder to which we mutually sub to and therfore that's the common thread. If that folder has little traffic, it seems as if we are not talking at all. I've yet to find anyone here that I totally can't stand (Except for Mimi, she's unbearably sweet and sociable, makes me sick! JUST KIDDING!!!!) Dave, I am not as bothered by the seperation of cliques as I was in high school, so maybe it is hormone increased awareness of it that is bugging you mostly.

Erin B. - 03:49pm Jul 1, 2001 PST(#240 of 1770)
Erin- wife, mother, and now...JD.

Well I don't really post in the chat folders. I stick more to the subject oriented folders, but even there I can kind of see what Dave is saying. It's kinda hard to explain but certain people are just "friendlier" to some MNers than others. Kinda like your posts get ignored if you're not one of them.

But it's never really bothered me. Its just like life. You connect with different people in different ways. I don't even think it's possible to like everybody or for everybody to like you. So I just post what I have to say. If someone responds, fine. If not, that's fine too. I don't know what else can be done.

Mimi - 06:58pm Jul 1, 2001 PST(#241 of 1770)

*giving Pooky lollipops and hugs, then running out before she can catch me!* Just kidding!

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