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Hate Crimes
 
Rob Lewis - 07:49pm Oct 23, 1998 PST
ICQ#31475045

What about it? Should we prosecute hate crimes, or should we treat all crimes as crimes period?


  • All crimes are not treated the same now -- if... by P Marlowe - Oct 23, 98 (#1 of 210)
  • yes hate crimes should be tried much more harshly... by Chayla name-sake of Lord Chaynal - Oct 24, 98 (#2 of 210)
  • I don't understand this 'hate crime'... by JoAnn Winlaw - Oct 25, 98 (#3 of 210)
  • JoAnn... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 25, 98 (#4 of 210)
  • PMarlow, I agree with you, but I also think that... by Rob Lewis - Oct 25, 98 (#5 of 210)
  • Marilyn I would agree with you that there is no... by JoAnn Winlaw - Oct 26, 98 (#6 of 210)
  • Crime is Crime pure and simple... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 26, 98 (#7 of 210)
  • Well, they should definitly be tried harshly for... by Chayla name-sake of Lord Chaynal - Oct 26, 98 (#8 of 210)
  • P... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 26, 98 (#9 of 210)
  • Crime is Crime... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 26, 98 (#10 of 210)
  • JoAnn, Actually, if a person commits a crime such... by Rob Lewis - Oct 26, 98 (#11 of 210)
  • I apologize for so many messages of the same... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 26, 98 (#12 of 210)
  • Chayla, For the sake of this discussion, let's... by Rob Lewis - Oct 26, 98 (#13 of 210)
  • Oooh!.. by micki glenn - Oct 27, 98 (#14 of 210)
  • Rob, funny you should mention hate crimes because... by renee saunders - Oct 27, 98 (#15 of 210)
  • Also everyone, check out my new topic "Should a... by renee saunders - Oct 27, 98 (#16 of 210)
  • Here's my take... by Rob Lewis - Oct 27, 98 (#17 of 210)
  • Micki There are many reasons that cause a... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 27, 98 (#18 of 210)
  • Well it's hard to say whether there should be a... by Chayla name-sake of Lord Chaynal - Oct 29, 98 (#19 of 210)
  • Chayla, No one who kills is "in the right" as you... by Rob Lewis - Oct 29, 98 (#20 of 210)
  • Chayla, one is pretty insecure to feel their only... by micki glenn - Nov 8, 98 (#21 of 210)
  • hello all you mystery mates, how's it going on... by Edmund Spaaz - Nov 8, 98 (#22 of 210)
  • I think we're being followed by a paint "huffer". by Rob Lewis - Nov 9, 98 (#23 of 210)
  • No, just the pink panther in blue jeans. by Edmund Spaaz - Nov 11, 98 (#24 of 210)
  • I rest my case. by Rob Lewis - Nov 11, 98 (#25 of 210)
  • Hate crimes should be prosecuted has a seperate... by Tim Turner - Nov 19, 98 (#26 of 210)
  • Tim-- And you think so why? by Rob Lewis - Nov 19, 98 (#27 of 210)
  • Whatever the motive is for committing a crime, be... by Carol Diemer - Nov 20, 98 (#28 of 210)
  • Carol Thats what I've been saying all along. by Marilyn Dickey - Nov 21, 98 (#29 of 210)
  • What's Up Everybody!.. by renee saunders - Nov 23, 98 (#30 of 210)
  • Hey Rob!.. by renee saunders - Nov 24, 98 (#31 of 210)
  • Renee, I know that the definition of a "hate... by Rob Lewis - Nov 24, 98 (#32 of 210)
  • I THINK HATE CRIMES SHOULD BE TREATED AS A... by Katie Napier - Jan 1, 99 (#33 of 210)
  • Katie, Would you like to elaborate?.. by Marilyn Dickey - Jan 3, 99 (#34 of 210)
  • Many say all crimes are hate crimes but that... by P Marlowe - Jan 23, 99 (#35 of 210)
  • PMarlowe, What you say is true, but should someone... by Rob Lewis - Jan 25, 99 (#36 of 210)
  • Rob Lewis, unfortunately all too often in this... by P Marlowe - Jan 26, 99 (#37 of 210)
  • Unfortunatly in Canada we don't use the death... by Darlene Campbell - Apr 16, 99 (#38 of 210)
  • To hate someone says a lot... by DIRRICK SIMMONS - Apr 30, 99 (#39 of 210)
  • Hate is a strong feeling. by Marilyn Dickey - May 1, 99 (#40 of 210)
  • I think we should prosecute the crime itself.To... by Jimmy Carl Black - May 1, 99 (#41 of 210)
  • Well said Jimmie... by Baked Beans - May 2, 99 (#42 of 210)
  • To Jimmy and Baked Beans, This was... by Marilyn Dickey - May 2, 99 (#43 of 210)
  • Marilyn Maybe they are only now getting around to... by Fran Hinkel - May 4, 99 (#44 of 210)
  • Fran, I was just letting Jimmy and Baked Beans... by Marilyn Dickey - May 4, 99 (#45 of 210)
  • Most murders are commited out of hate... by Hugh Drummond - Jun 15, 99 (#46 of 210)
  • In fact, a hate crime is a crime of thought... by Rob Lewis - Jun 15, 99 (#47 of 210)
  • Ooooh!.. by Hugh Drummond - Jun 16, 99 (#48 of 210)
  • I hadn't heard that, but I'm glad you shared it... by Rob Lewis - Jun 16, 99 (#49 of 210)
  • It is!.. by Hugh Drummond - Jun 17, 99 (#50 of 210)
  • Heck, Rob, the nation is looking to legislate ... by P Marlowe - Jun 22, 99 (#51 of 210)
  • The "thing with Clinton" isn't about legistlating... by Rob Lewis - Jun 23, 99 (#52 of 210)
  • Our legal system comes from property ownership... by P Marlowe - Jun 28, 99 (#53 of 210)
  • Great statement... by Rob Lewis - Jun 28, 99 (#54 of 210)
  • Don't need to just ask any attorney. by P Marlowe - Jul 1, 99 (#55 of 210)
  • That's a cop-out... by Rob Lewis - Jul 4, 99 (#56 of 210)
  • Rob, if you don't believe me then you will need to... by P Marlowe - Jul 4, 99 (#57 of 210)
  • I actually have looked into the law quite a bit... by Rob Lewis - Jul 6, 99 (#58 of 210)
  • Civil right are based on the Constitutional... by P Marlowe - Jul 7, 99 (#59 of 210)
  • I actually am quite fond of Capitalism... by Rob Lewis - Jul 14, 99 (#60 of 210)
  • Rob, your problem is that you want to believe the... by P Marlowe - Jul 17, 99 (#61 of 210)
  • Why do you really think we have so much hate in... by P Marlowe - Jul 17, 99 (#62 of 210)
  • Well, I have returned... by Eclipse - Jul 19, 99 (#63 of 210)
  • Btw my original name on MysteryNet was "Chayla... by Eclipse - Jul 19, 99 (#64 of 210)
  • Eclipse, I was wandering what happened to... by Marilyn Dickey - Jul 19, 99 (#65 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I could use up space quoting from our... by Rob Lewis - Jul 19, 99 (#66 of 210)
  • A crime is a crime--there should be no other... by william Pratt - Jul 19, 99 (#67 of 210)
  • I'm with you William. by Rob Lewis - Jul 21, 99 (#68 of 210)
  • Rob, the important thing here is that the founders... by P Marlowe - Jul 22, 99 (#69 of 210)
  • william pratt, I tend to agree with you on that... by P Marlowe - Jul 22, 99 (#70 of 210)
  • Marlowe,yes there is a desire by the public to do... by william Pratt - Jul 23, 99 (#71 of 210)
  • I agree with William... by Baked Beans - Jul 23, 99 (#72 of 210)
  • SIGH* Marlowe, quit switching subjects... by Rob Lewis - Jul 23, 99 (#73 of 210)
  • Rob, sit on it, please and thank you. by P Marlowe - Jul 23, 99 (#74 of 210)
  • P Marlowe, Why don't you set on it awhile.All... by Marilyn Dickey - Jul 25, 99 (#75 of 210)
  • Well, I myself am not a Christian, far from it,... by Eclipse - Jul 25, 99 (#76 of 210)
  • Eclipse, This of course is not a religious... by Marilyn Dickey - Jul 26, 99 (#77 of 210)
  • Eclipse, By the way, You are absolutly right ... by Marilyn Dickey - Jul 26, 99 (#78 of 210)
  • I don't put anyone's religious beliefs or religion... by P Marlowe - Jul 26, 99 (#79 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I am catholic and believe strongly in my... by Carol Diemer - Jul 26, 99 (#80 of 210)
  • I'm fine with that Marilyn, and in fact I agree... by Eclipse - Jul 26, 99 (#81 of 210)
  • Dr.Falwell, Mr.Buchanan, and Mr.Helms have just as... by Marilyn Dickey - Jul 27, 99 (#82 of 210)
  • I'm not for forcing relgion on anyone... by Rob Lewis - Jul 28, 99 (#83 of 210)
  • If you were directing that last post to people... by Eclipse - Jul 28, 99 (#84 of 210)
  • Eclipse, that wasn't directed to you, but yours... by Rob Lewis - Jul 28, 99 (#85 of 210)
  • Well, thanks Rob... by Eclipse - Jul 29, 99 (#86 of 210)
  • Had it ever occurred to you who support this ... by P Marlowe - Jul 31, 99 (#87 of 210)
  • P Marlowe - As a Southern Christian who does not... by Robert Mueller - Jul 31, 99 (#88 of 210)
  • Eclipse, That is true, but in the harsh light of... by Rob Lewis - Aug 1, 99 (#89 of 210)
  • Marloe, SIGH* I fail to see how voicing an... by Rob Lewis - Aug 1, 99 (#90 of 210)
  • Mr... by Marilyn Dickey - Aug 1, 99 (#91 of 210)
  • Rob, that is why I said, we must be careful of... by Eclipse - Aug 1, 99 (#92 of 210)
  • Boy, you Christians just can't take any criticism,... by P Marlowe - Aug 3, 99 (#93 of 210)
  • Marlowe, Why should Christians or any religion ... by Marilyn Dickey - Aug 4, 99 (#94 of 210)
  • P Marlowe - Is it possible to have intelligent... by Robert Mueller - Aug 5, 99 (#95 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I would never attempt to speak for all... by Rob Lewis - Aug 5, 99 (#96 of 210)
  • Rob Lewis, if you somehow got that I thought I... by P Marlowe - Aug 9, 99 (#97 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I am in complete agreement with you about... by Rob Lewis - Aug 11, 99 (#98 of 210)
  • I realize our moral system is based on... by P Marlowe - Aug 17, 99 (#99 of 210)
  • I agree Marlowe, couldn't have said it better... by Eclipse - Aug 17, 99 (#100 of 210)
  • That is where it all begins, TOLERANCE... by Carol Diemer - Aug 17, 99 (#101 of 210)
  • I don't mind listening to your point of view, but... by Rob Lewis - Aug 17, 99 (#102 of 210)
  • Rob, Don't you think you should have a little... by Marilyn Dickey - Aug 17, 99 (#103 of 210)
  • Sorry, everyone, you can shriek at me all you... by Alice Freiman - Aug 17, 99 (#104 of 210)
  • Alice,I will not shriek at you because...I agree... by william Pratt - Aug 17, 99 (#105 of 210)
  • I was in business for awhile with a woman who was... by D. Battles - Aug 18, 99 (#106 of 210)
  • D.B., remember, that woman may have been trying... by Alice Freiman - Aug 18, 99 (#107 of 210)
  • Yes, and those people who are going about... by Eclipse - Aug 18, 99 (#108 of 210)
  • I agree with Alice Freiman in post #104... by Marilyn Dickey - Aug 18, 99 (#109 of 210)
  • No, Rob, I don't think you are intolerant if you... by Carol Diemer - Aug 18, 99 (#110 of 210)
  • Marilyn, I meant physically hurting someone... by Eclipse - Aug 18, 99 (#111 of 210)
  • Ok, then Eclipse... by Sultry Brunette - Aug 18, 99 (#112 of 210)
  • In my view people burning crosses is merely them... by Eclipse - Aug 19, 99 (#113 of 210)
  • Sultry, Concerning your post #112, you go girl by Marilyn Dickey - Aug 19, 99 (#114 of 210)
  • Eclipse.... by Is_this_normal? - Aug 19, 99 (#115 of 210)
  • No, it isn't a hate crime... by Eclipse - Aug 19, 99 (#116 of 210)
  • Eclipse.. by Is_this_normal? - Aug 19, 99 (#117 of 210)
  • Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you... by Sultry Brunette - Aug 19, 99 (#118 of 210)
  • Eclipse,you sure seem to know a lot on the purpose... by william Pratt - Aug 19, 99 (#119 of 210)
  • That's exactly what I would like to know. by Sultry Brunette - Aug 19, 99 (#120 of 210)
  • I know of these reasons, because I *talk* to... by Eclipse - Aug 20, 99 (#121 of 210)
  • Rob Lewis - Swastikas were originally drawn by men... by P Marlowe - Aug 20, 99 (#122 of 210)
  • Just curious....Since you are all talking about... by Jeandiata - Aug 21, 99 (#123 of 210)
  • Hi Jean... by Is_this_normal? - Aug 21, 99 (#124 of 210)
  • Eclipse,are you going?--- by william Pratt - Aug 21, 99 (#125 of 210)
  • Going-- what? by Eclipse - Aug 22, 99 (#126 of 210)
  • ITN - They had less than 40 show... by Jeandiata - Aug 22, 99 (#127 of 210)
  • Jean.. by Is_this_normal? - Aug 22, 99 (#128 of 210)
  • Eclipse, you said that some people think they are... by Julia Michaels - Aug 24, 99 (#129 of 210)
  • Excuse me, Julia, but just how does the removal of... by P Marlowe - Aug 24, 99 (#130 of 210)
  • Marlowe,I think Julia is echoing Alices' earlier... by william Pratt - Aug 24, 99 (#131 of 210)
  • Julia, Hitler did -not- kill the Jews to "put... by Eclipse - Aug 24, 99 (#132 of 210)
  • Exactly as Marlowe said, it is -because- of the... by Eclipse - Aug 24, 99 (#133 of 210)
  • Re: Tolerance of KKK and other radicals... by P Marlowe - Aug 25, 99 (#134 of 210)
  • Once again I am speechless... by Eclipse - Aug 25, 99 (#135 of 210)
  • WOW!!!.. by Rob Lewis - Aug 25, 99 (#136 of 210)
  • From a Florida Court: Cross-burning is banned, the... by Fran Hinkel - Aug 26, 99 (#137 of 210)
  • Rob, I don't recall accusing you of saying "I am... by Eclipse - Aug 26, 99 (#138 of 210)
  • Eclipse, My apologies... by Rob Lewis - Aug 26, 99 (#139 of 210)
  • Rob, Entirely forgiven, I understand completely,... by Eclipse - Aug 26, 99 (#140 of 210)
  • And sometime (above example) problems stem from a... by P Marlowe - Aug 26, 99 (#141 of 210)
  • Well, I don't think it's too surprising that we... by Eclipse - Sep 7, 99 (#142 of 210)
  • Eclipse, Well said . by Marilyn Dickey - Sep 9, 99 (#143 of 210)
  • Ah, a rhetorical question if ever there was one... by Rob Lewis - Sep 9, 99 (#144 of 210)
  • I was just reading on Salon.com that two men have... by P Marlowe - Oct 7, 99 (#145 of 210)
  • These kind of people are just free-lance haters... by Rob Lewis - Oct 10, 99 (#146 of 210)
  • Rob Lewis - I totally agree. by Is_this_normal? - Oct 10, 99 (#147 of 210)
  • Rob, that is a point I have been trying to figure... by Carol Diemer - Oct 11, 99 (#148 of 210)
  • Do you think Special Hate Crime laws are... by P Marlowe - Oct 12, 99 (#149 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I think you're right about enforcing... by Rob Lewis - Oct 13, 99 (#150 of 210)
  • Some very good points are being made.I personal... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 13, 99 (#151 of 210)
  • I think comparing hate crimes with special... by Fran Hinkel - Oct 14, 99 (#152 of 210)
  • Fran, I definitely think one has something to do... by P Marlowe - Oct 20, 99 (#153 of 210)
  • I have to agree with Fran Hinkel on this one... by Robert Mueller - Oct 21, 99 (#154 of 210)
  • I agree with Fran also... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 21, 99 (#155 of 210)
  • Marlowe, no, I don't think that a policeman's life... by Fran Hinkel - Oct 22, 99 (#156 of 210)
  • I believe that the special circumstances in... by Is_this_normal? - Oct 22, 99 (#157 of 210)
  • Fran,Marilyn,normal--I agree--- by william Pratt - Oct 24, 99 (#158 of 210)
  • To all the above.... by Jason Phillips - May 25, 00 (#159 of 210)
  • Jason - I agree and that reminds me of a great... by Jeandiata - May 25, 00 (#160 of 210)
  • Jason Phillips, hate in the United States has many... by P Marlowe - May 28, 00 (#161 of 210)
  • No, hate is natural... by Rob Lewis - Jun 5, 00 (#162 of 210)
  • I don't doubt that hate is fostered and cared for... by Fran Hinkel - Jun 6, 00 (#163 of 210)
  • Hate is a natural response to someone or thing... by Rob Lewis - Jun 6, 00 (#164 of 210)
  • Don't buy that argument for a minute, Rob Lewis... by P Marlowe - Jun 8, 00 (#165 of 210)
  • Marlowe, We might as well not go there because... by Rob Lewis - Jun 9, 00 (#166 of 210)
  • Fran and Rob ,I think you are both right and... by Marilyn Dickey - Jun 9, 00 (#167 of 210)
  • Society is distrustful as a whole.Why do we lock... by Jason Phillips - Jun 11, 00 (#168 of 210)
  • A book just came out talking about this very... by william Pratt - Jun 11, 00 (#169 of 210)
  • The questions remains - what is {{NORMAL}}... by P Marlowe - Jun 12, 00 (#170 of 210)
  • Marlowe, I believe the kind of person you are... by Rob Lewis - Jun 12, 00 (#171 of 210)
  • Rob,Could you elaborate please?.. by Jason Phillips - Jun 14, 00 (#172 of 210)
  • If anyone is really interested in stopping "hate... by Deborah "Debbe" Ryan - Jun 15, 00 (#173 of 210)
  • Jason, I'm not disputing that point... by Rob Lewis - Jun 15, 00 (#174 of 210)
  • We need to stop hating not pass stupid laws that... by P Marlowe - Jun 18, 00 (#175 of 210)
  • P... by Marilyn Dickey - Jun 18, 00 (#176 of 210)
  • Marlowe, While what you say is true, "we need to... by Rob Lewis - Jun 19, 00 (#177 of 210)
  • Although I am not an attorney, I do know that the... by Deborah "Debbe" Ryan - Jun 20, 00 (#178 of 210)
  • Or is that you, Marilyn Dickey?.. by P Marlowe - Jun 22, 00 (#179 of 210)
  • Debbe, I agree with such a definition... by Eclipse - Jul 12, 00 (#180 of 210)
  • Eclipse, But if you prosecute someone because they... by Rob Lewis - Jul 12, 00 (#181 of 210)
  • Rob, Yes, I can see that, and actually, I agree... by Eclipse - Jul 13, 00 (#182 of 210)
  • Eclipse, OK... by Rob Lewis - Jul 17, 00 (#183 of 210)
  • People whose hatred leads them to drag a man... by P Marlowe - Jul 23, 00 (#184 of 210)
  • I absolutely agree... by Carol Diemer - Jul 24, 00 (#185 of 210)
  • However, what happens to ignorant racist thinking... by Rob Lewis - Jul 24, 00 (#186 of 210)
  • Unfortunately, laws are made to punish specific... by Susan of Artemus - Oct 16, 00 (#187 of 210)
  • The real danger is to allow the government to... by Rob Lewis - Oct 16, 00 (#188 of 210)
  • You are absolutely right, Rob... by Carol Diemer - Oct 22, 00 (#189 of 210)
  • Hate crimes are worse than, say, a crime of... by Eliza C. - Apr 22, 02 (#190 of 210)
  • true,and that is why there are special laws today... by william Pratt - Apr 22, 02 (#191 of 210)
  • I think that hate crimes should be punished with a... by Ace Lewis - Apr 30, 03 (#192 of 210)
  • Hey All!.. by AKA Chris Fatcher Alex Snyder - Oct 20, 03 (#193 of 210)
  • Alex - So let's say a man finds his wife in bed... by Is_this_normal? - Oct 20, 03 (#194 of 210)
  • Hate Crimes are the same as any other crime except... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 20, 03 (#195 of 210)
  • The scary thing about hate crime is you are... by Rob Lewis - Oct 21, 03 (#196 of 210)
  • Well, thinking on behalf of the victim...I think... by Eeva - Oct 21, 03 (#197 of 210)
  • If I were to think on behalf of a vicim It... by Marilyn Dickey - Oct 21, 03 (#198 of 210)
  • Marilyn and Rob,I agree--a crime is a crime--the... by William Pratt III - Oct 22, 03 (#199 of 210)
  • For that matter, has any legislation to punish ANY... by Is_this_normal? - Oct 22, 03 (#200 of 210)
  • I think you are focusing too much on the... by Eeva - Oct 22, 03 (#201 of 210)
  • ...or at least without any repercussion. by Is_this_normal? - Oct 22, 03 (#202 of 210)
  • I don't think in America anyone believes they are... by Rob Lewis - Oct 23, 03 (#203 of 210)
  • We absoultely cannot go down a road where someone... by Carol Diemer - Oct 26, 03 (#204 of 210)
  • Let me clarify something... by Rob Lewis - Oct 26, 03 (#205 of 210)
  • normal,that's a good question--"Has any... by William Pratt III - Oct 26, 03 (#206 of 210)
  • Maybe we should go convince President Bush and... by AKA Chris Fatcher Alex Snyder - Oct 27, 03 (#207 of 210)
  • Carol... by Marilyn Dickey - Nov 5, 03 (#208 of 210)
  • How true, sadly true, Marilyn Dickey... by P Marlowe - Jun 18, 04 (#209 of 210)
  • hate crimes r still crimes... by Anonymous Person - Oct 27, 10 (#210 of 210)

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